GOALS - oh good, another eSports soccer game

[broxopios]

In my video If stats dodn’t matter like you said, this shot would have been on target. Why would it go that far off goal? It might not have gone in, as you say, but there’s no reason for it to miss the target if stats don’t matter.

You seem so desperate to support your opinion that you went from saying “stats don’t matter in GOALS” to “why would you shoot from that distance,” then to “it’s normal for the ball to go there,” and you end up at “in 1v1 situations stats don’t matter and everything goes in.” First, clarify what you actually mean and what you believe about GOALS. To start with: do stats matter or not? It’s a clear and specific question.

Because it’s one thing to say you don’t like the feel of a football game, and ultimately that you don’t like it because it’s arcade and you want something closer to what you see on TV, and another to come up with countless excuses to dismiss it.

Also, the way you phrase things with lines like “I am honestly amazed that you thought…” or “It is actually kind of shocking that you say…” doesn’t strengthen your argument or make it more valid.

Personally, I never said that GOALS comes close to being a football simulator. Not even close. It’s an arcade football game, like most of what’s out there right now, just with a different focus.

Honestly, I’m still waiting for you to tell me which modern football game you think comes closest to what you have in mind as an ideal. That way, we can at least have a common point of reference for the discussion.

 

[Pagi84]

I'm bored so downloaded this and just played my 1st game v a human.

Tell you what, I don't hate this at all. Obviously I'm looking past the limitations, but this is wayyy more fun than the last EAFC game I played.

It just feels like I'm rewarded for good decision making and control, more like real football. Unlike EAFC.

 

[Jay-Jay 10]

In my video If stats dodn’t matter like you said, this shot would have been on target. Why would it go that far off goal? It might not have gone in, as you say, but there’s no reason for it to miss the target if stats don’t matter.

You seem so desperate to support your opinion that you went from saying “stats don’t matter in GOALS” to “why would you shoot from that distance,” then to “it’s normal for the ball to go there,” and you end up at “in 1v1 situations stats don’t matter and everything goes in.” First, clarify what you actually mean and what you believe about GOALS. To start with: do stats matter or not? It’s a clear and specific question.

Because it’s one thing to say you don’t like the feel of a football game, and ultimately that you don’t like it because it’s arcade and you want something closer to what you see on TV, and another to come up with countless excuses to dismiss it.

Also, the way you phrase things with lines like “I am honestly amazed that you thought…” or “It is actually kind of shocking that you say…” doesn’t strengthen your argument or make it more valid.

Personally, I never said that GOALS comes close to being a football simulator. Not even close. It’s an arcade football game, like most of what’s out there right now, just with a different focus.

Honestly, I’m still waiting for you to tell me which modern football game you think comes closest to what you have in mind as an ideal. That way, we can at least have a common point of reference for the discussion.

Did you even read what I said? The ball shouldn't be on target if it is a 40 rated shot or an 80 rated shot. In a good football game it should rarely be on target. So you trying to prove that stats matter with a shot that in any good football game shouldn't be on target no matter the stats literally doesn't proof anything. You asked why should the ball go so far off goal? I gave you the answer: because you shot from an awful angle where the ball should go off goal.

Regarding which football game is the closest? Fifa 16 probably or PES 13.

Also again you miss my argument: just because no current game hits the target of a realistic football game doesn't mean I now should accept a shitty arcade football game that has nothing to do with real football.

And no stats don't matter in Goals. That's what I mean. Go in a situation close to goal and shoot with a low rated player. Try it 40 times from the same position and the ball will go in goal the same amount of time as with an 80 rated player. I literally tried it out myself. They don't miss how they should with lower rated stats.

Same for passing. Where is the spread with a lower rated player? It doesn't exist.

I never moved my argument. You just picked an awful video that didn't show anything. Like I said. Pick a close angle to goal, 1 vs 1 and shoot 50 times on goal with a shitty player and see how much stats influence the shot.

I don't even know what we are fighting about to be honest.

You think the game is amazing: good for you. But you won't convince me. For me it is not and you won't magically make me feel different about it.

So if you enjoy it, more power to you and have fun with it.

I can't enjoy an Arcade game like that because it is not what I want in a football game..

Also if you really want a modern example then probably FC 26 with Anth James Gameplay mod. What he has done with the gameplay hits a lot of my tastes of a football game. But I didn't want to first include a mod since it is not the out of the box experience.

I also enjoy some of the PES 21 gameplay mods.

 

[Pagi84]

I'm bored so downloaded this and just played my 1st game v a human.

Tell you what, I don't hate this at all. Obviously I'm looking past the limitations, but this is wayyy more fun than the last EAFC game I played.

It just feels like I'm rewarded for good decision making and control, more like real football. Unlike EAFC.

Ok, 2nd game was a joke, so I'm done. Defensive system is waste of time and pace is everything.

 

[broxopios]

I’m not trying to convince you of anything. I honestly don’t care what you like, it’s something personal for each of us, and it goes both ways. I don’t know why you think I’m trying to convince you of something. I could say the same about you, that you’re trying to convince me that GOALS is bad. Right?

Also, I never said that GOALS is amazing. “Amazing” is far from what I want. What I am saying, is that I enjoy playing it. It’s as simple as that.

Now, about 1v1 situations, it’s reasonable for any player to at least get the shot on target. Not necessarily score, but hit the target. As for the angle I’m shooting from, yes, it’s a difficult angle, but are you saying top players don’t hit the target from there? I think they do quite easily.

I haven’t played EA FC 26 or the mod you mentioned, so I can’t really have an opinion. Besides, since I play exclusively against human opponents, and unfortunately couch play is no longer an option, so online is the only choice, I can’t use mods anyway, which means I’m not really interested in them. From a video I saw on YouTube, it looks very nice, but I don’t know how the gameplay actually feels.

 

[Jay-Jay 10]

Yes top players don't hit the target regularly when they just did a quick turn beforehand and at that running speed at that angle. Just ask yourself: how often have you seen someone a) try to shoot from there and b) hit the target or even score from there?

 

[broxopios]

Yes top players don't hit the target regularly when they just did a quick turn beforehand and at that running speed at that angle. Just ask yourself: how often have you seen someone a) try to shoot from there and b) hit the target or even score from there?

The truth is not quite often, but i like to try new things in my game.

 

[Richie]

I’m coming back with a play I just had, where my right back with 47 shooting executed the shot like this. If stats didn’t matter, the shot might have gone on target or even ended up as a goal.

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Players are ice skating instead of running, and I don't know what they're kicking, but that's definitely not a football.
Or maybe they're just playing on another planet with different physics.

 

[Marreco]

Players are ice skating instead of running, and I don't know what they're kicking, but that's definitely not a football.
Or maybe they're just playing on another planet with different physics.

Haha i saw this clip and oh my god what the fuck is wrong with the ball physics.
Even if I accept that this is some kind of minigame in a game like Final Fantasy, this ball physics is an insult.


This single developer seems to me to be the only remaining hope.

 

[Badger Mushroom]

Haha i saw this clip and oh my god what the fuck is wrong with the ball physics.
Even if I accept that this is some kind of minigame in a game like Final Fantasy, this ball physics is an insult.


This single developer seems to me to be the only remaining hope.

That's actually really impressive, gonna subscribe to this guy...thanks for providing the link

 

[Madmac79]

Haha i saw this clip and oh my god what the fuck is wrong with the ball physics.
Even if I accept that this is some kind of minigame in a game like Final Fantasy, this ball physics is an insult.


This single developer seems to me to be the only remaining hope.

I don't want to get my hopes up, as the project looks REALLY ambitious, but the guy seems really determined and at this point I'll cling to anything .

I subscribed and will support him as long as the development will look alive.

 

[broxopios]

Players are ice skating instead of running, and I don't know what they're kicking, but that's definitely not a football.
Or maybe they're just playing on another planet with different physics.

However, playing it, I didn't get the feeling that there is any ice-skating. Quite the opposite, actually. I felt the players were stepping quite firmly on the turf. Now, are they lighter than in eFootball, for example? Yes, they are.

Haha i saw this clip and oh my god what the fuck is wrong with the ball physics.
Even if I accept that this is some kind of minigame in a game like Final Fantasy, this ball physics is an insult.


This single developer seems to me to be the only remaining hope.

I hope something good comes out of the guy with the video. But it's one thing to make a person just run correctly and another to merge and combine running with ball control, passing, shooting, and the overall snappiness of football. I haven't seen that happen for years. Because it's all well and good to say "great physics," but the actual gameplay ends up being off-putting. Take eFootball, for instance. I even played the latest update. If you're saying that GOALS has nothing to do with football, I think eFootball takes first prize in that category. Unless you now mean that it's more important for a game to look good than to play well.