eFootball (All Platforms)

subtra3t said:
Just because they've posted in this thread about eFootball doesn't mean that they necessarily have to like the game to post about it. And they didn't even mention eFootball once in the comment which you replied to.

And even if they did like eFootball, that shouldn't make you say something like "you clearly don't know what you're talking about". That's just disrespectful.
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I explained that it wasn't meant to be disrespectful, that sentence wasn't meant to be personal, as I said, it was purely technical, about those who get involved in gameplay modify and those who don't... So you're being intellectually dishonest if you bring up issues that don't concern you turning them this way too to defend the fact that you like eFootball so much and no one can have a different opinion
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They've clearly stated too that they've tried many different gameplay mods. So the testimonies of people who like your gp mods (who I'm a fan of, by the way) don't mean much, they've already come to the conclusion that PES 21 is not for them.
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The comments I posted were made by some users who do not like PES 2021 in its original version... I posted them simply to answer about the statement that “those who love mods surely also love the original version and vice versa”; therefore, I made some points that were not always true, as in the case of some of my mods...

Play whatever you like, play efootball offline if it's better (for you) to FL2026 with a good GP mod and its ML with real updated squads; but please don't confuse and mix up the issues to further your own opinions... You and someone else here do it often, and it's not a nice way to discuss things...

Coming back to my initial argument I keep saying that FL2026 with a good GP mod is better than an offline game with eFootball (if I want to play offline)... but you can play eFootball whenever you want to play offline.;)



May the Force be with you always.
 
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Energia said:
I explained that it wasn't meant to be disrespectful, that sentence wasn't meant to be personal, as I said, it was purely technical, about those who get involved in gameplay and those who don't... So you're being intellectually dishonest if you bring up issues that don't concern you to defend the fact that you like eFootball so much and no one can say otherwise... Play whatever you like, but please don't confuse and mix up the issues to further your own agenda... You and someone else here do it often, and it's not a nice way to discuss things...

May the Force be with you always.
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"Not to be mean or anything, but you are very ugly."

If I say something like that, would it not be offensive? Just because you preceded something disrespectful with "you clearly don't know what you're talking about" doesn't make it any less disrespectful.

Nobody here has any kind of "agenda", not you nor me. All of us here are just people who like football video games. There really isn't anything more to it.

You know what's not a nice way to discuss things? Telling someone that they don't know anything what they're talking about. This isn't some clear cut discussion with an objectively right way of viewing things. It's a video game, some people like it and some people don't. You can't use the excuse of it being a technical matter since it clearly isn't, it's about liking or disliking a video game ffs.

And being disrespectful to someone because they don't like your favourite video game isn't very intellectually honest either.
 
subtra3t said:
"Not to be mean or anything, but you are very ugly."
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I understand that you don't like my way of arguing,
and it's probably true that I'm a terrible person for you... ;)

We probably don't understand each other, or I don't know how to explain myself well in English

Let's end this personal discussion you're having about me here... Your personal opinions about me are fruitless anyway for this thread

May the force be with you always.;)
 
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To break up the crap for a moment, I'm using the PS4 version of eFootball & having played a few games, there doesn't seem to be any third kits for a majority of the teams. I seem to remember the PS5 version lacking third kits too. Is this something where Konami is lacking also? Are third kits ONLY for their partner clubs now?
 
I am just can suppouse KONAMI to rename "eFootball" to "Pure Dirt".
It's the most suitable name for this "ePachinkoGame", really, when you are see "what's weird things are happening on the field".
Even David Copperfield in his appearances do not shows "such miracles" ...
 
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I should admit that if i was a company, created a free 2 play game and wanted to make money, i wouldn't introduce edit mode but try to make a deal with all possible teams to get the remaining licences to be paid. But if there's no compromise or "licence hunting" at all (what i'm pretty sure as lazy they are), i suppose that representating a real kit with just a template without having any permission especially in a F2P games, with all the ultra restrictive law to make money by clubs, it's probable and i bet that there's a new law about team representations in game, whatever it's personnal or not.

To me eFootball lost much much more for not doing it than leaving all unlicenced and impossible to change. Without it i don't even know if PES would have survived the Ps3 era where they were 3 years late in terms of technology O.T. Even if i admit, right now 15/12 year later : i got more fun to play with PES for the ball physics, freedom, and more importance to tactics but that's my own point of view i will never said it's "better", perhaps i have played too much those Fifa games and know their mechanics too much... But that's O.T.

So back to the "no Edit mode" talk, like you said a lawyer or found something clear in the law of teams, clubs representations clear and precise.

Now just one thing i noticed that was never mentionned : I believe that Bundesliga players representation law was a signed contract probably only against Konami for a simple reason : Virtua Pro Football, a Sega ultra-rigid PES, got all the players from D1 and D2 from Bundes?
Or they get scared and the Fifpro/Bundes separation was perhaps for 07/08, no idea.

But saying directly "it's to sell kits" after looking at the videos seing that they got some problem to introduce it and it's less relevant than thinking it's something else : How they do with the tons of clubs they don't have any licence to sell at all?? It's not impossible but selling special kits for for already licenced teams doesn't resolve the issue at all. Perhaps and probably law, lazyness or whatever worst think you think about that company.

I'd like way better to play time to time a Division mode with real teams as it's the only acceptable game (@Sany023 i never really got those issues on exhibition mode but i suppose all happens in their Pay2Win ones, but it's very balanced... A bit weird to play and unintuitive through) on the pitch up to date (whatever some of you think, everyone got his opinion) as i hate even more to play with fake builded teams with 3 times the same player.
 
eFootball is "Pure Evil", because game simply disallow me to score 6 times in row from 100 percent moments in one match online now.
And in final after match score is 2-1. 2-nd goal of rival was scored on 121 minute, while I can't really to do nothing against.
May be also I was played with AI-agent (who is masking as a "alive rival"), not with real man, but this do not matter.

Matter only this fact, that all your "real skills means really nothing", "game play itself".
And I am never understand anyone, who want to protect this "sh1t" by any words.

P.S. May be "It's a jokes of history, when instead of Pro Evolution Soccer", they decided clearly to do "Pro Evilution Degradation Cardoccer", it is real "discreditaion whole idea of true soccer, as we are know it":
- soccer with good combinations
- soccer based on sport principle
- soccer, based on different tactics, that really matters
- soccer, where your skills matter and also skills of created players in game and etc
 
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I just said that i don't play that game in "mode" match and exhibitions matchs i've done seemed regular and balanced.

But if it's like that on every P2Win mode, i agree, i don't defend that part. All i wanted to said if the game without awful evilish scripts, really offline (without any intervention when you're connected i mean) doesn't seems scripted as hell at all.
And i played a lot of Training and Exhibition matches, but not their ugly modes / the main game / and i believe you. But i don't lie neither when i talk about my experience with the game in Exhibition or Training, legend difficulty or superstar i don't know, can be hard to beat but because they play fast and good not if the AI take control of your controller...
Yes, you're totally right : it's undefendable. Edit: and yes i believe that every mode where you have obligation to get connected to play got AI agents + scripts regarding your own skills, they practically drop the bomb on their latest itw.

In all case what you describe (i got 0 experience in their modes) is exactly like FUT years after years : more and more frustrating because of the undescriptible amount of script : while in Season mode it was totally another game : still some IG core scripts but was far less a controller launcher machine.
 
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NeoRetro said:
I just said that i don't play that game in "mode" match and exhibitions matchs i've done seemed regular and balanced.

But if it's like that on every P2Win mode, i agree, i don't defend that part. All i wanted to said if the game without awful evilish scripts, really offline (without any intervention when you're connected i mean) doesn't seems scripted as hell at all.
And i played a lot of Training and Exhibition matches, but not their ugly modes / the main game / and i believe you. But i don't lie neither when i talk about my experience with the game in Exhibition or Training, legend difficulty or superstar i don't know, can be hard to beat but because they play fast and good not if the AI take control of your controller...
Yes, you're totally right : it's undefendable. Edit: and yes i believe that every mode where you have obligation to get connected to play got AI agents + scripts regarding your own skills, they practically drop the bomb on their latest itw.

In all case what you describe (i got 0 experience in their modes) is exactly like FUT years after years : more and more frustrating because of the undescriptible amount of script : while in Season mode it was totally another game : still some IG core scripts but was far less a controller launcher machine.
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Honetsly with AI - there are the same algorithms, exactly the same.
May be just in some cases it's little but less frustrating during game.

And for KOiNami well-deserved 1-st nomination in category "Dirt Play" instead of oldschool "Fair Play".
 
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FC Bayern said:
To break up the crap for a moment, I'm using the PS4 version of eFootball & having played a few games, there doesn't seem to be any third kits for a majority of the teams. I seem to remember the PS5 version lacking third kits too. Is this something where Konami is lacking also? Are third kits ONLY for their partner clubs now?
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Which teams did you use? Only the bigger licensed clubs get third kits these days.
 
The sad part of the truth: They permanently destroyed the best football franchise ever developed in favor of easy microtranzactions and virtual coin monetization without any remorse. And the worst, they're marketing it by making those PES nostalgia trip events like "Do you remember when PES was the real seasonal thing?"
 
Had a check, and yes, only partner clubs have third kits. And some even have fourth and fifth kits

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Energia said:
In fact, there are many beautiful names that are appropriate for our efuckball.
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Yes! Its a shambles. I've been a bit ill over the last week but will do my best to deliver a double podcast over the weekend and part of me despite desires to be positive. I think I need to rant about eshamblessball to kick things off.

This game is truly evil! If it was a pile of shit like EAFC which needs a new engine I would of washed my hands with it many moons ago. What makes it so evil is that this game would actually be brilliant if they gave the smallest bit of a shit to provide at least edit mode & even a solid PES 2021 style master leagues so the gameplay can be built upon and enhanced so we can finally have PES 2021 but better, fixed all the core issues. But no, all they care about is exploiting the younger generation for money.

The lies I heard them say recently regarding no edit mode for licensing issues is the biggest pile off bullshit I have ever heard in my life. They have NO REASON to avoid putting this back in but they don't want to be honest and admit they have this exploitive model which they can charge money for buying their own hyped up poorly made 'special' shirts, copying the 'skins' model we see in FPS games.

Little do they know they are missing out on millions from those like me who would be much more invested in this game if we could use custom kits online & offline adding to the experience. This is where they will fail eventually. their intentions is short term monetary gain but don't see people are tired of playing a game which lets face it has no fun or purpose unless you want to be an esports player or something. Online gaming especially football gaming in general is boring. TTB put it best years ago. "Everyone plays the same way". At least back in PES 2021 and before you had lobbies to setup tournaments and filters to create your own manual leagues or leagues with rules to play good football. Nah, there is no incentive to play good football. Only win at all costs no matter how scummy. So its boring to win, playing the way the game demands. No freedom or creativity!

Dark times we live in for football gaming. Dark times.
 
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klashman69 said:
The lies I heard them say recently regarding no edit mode for licensing issues is the biggest pile off bullshit I have ever heard in my life. They have NO REASON to avoid putting this back in but they don't want to be honest and admit they have this exploitive model which they can charge money for buying their own hyped up poorly made 'special' shirts, copying the 'skins' model we see in FPS games.
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Like I've said before, this is completely untrue. They do not have any kits on sale except one designed by a third party that can be bought after playing 2 matches. Other than that there are no kits on sale in the game. Earlier there used to be a few kits, but they were either available to obtain for free or with an in game currency that cannot be bought with money.

There are plenty of reasons to shit on eFootball but I'm tired of this people in this thread reiterating the same points that have been proven to be clearly false.
 
subtra3t said:
Like I've said before, this is completely untrue. They do not have any kits on sale except one designed by a third party that can be bought after playing 2 matches.
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I see you point ad your right in the correct formal terms, I apologize you misunderstood my point.

subtra3t said:
Other than that there are no kits on sale in the game. Earlier there used to be a few kits, but they were either available to obtain for free or with an in game currency that cannot be bought with money.

There are plenty of reasons to shit on eFootball but I'm tired of this people in this thread reiterating the same points that have been proven to be clearly false.
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Now my point. You know here in efootball PC Modding forums users extracting all the added kits for people to freely use. So if Konami released edit mode, all the monetary value obtained from peoples excess buying coin packs once they got their legend or epic of the bi weekly release will stop.

This microtransaction is just too profitable to give up for edit mode! This is what matters to Konami. Money for no effort poor kits. That 500 gold coins spent on whatever poor kit they release along will other nonsense like avatars and pitch confetti foolishness means when the user runs out of coins he will reload another $5, $15, $50 and so on.

People like me who by principle refuse to pay a single cent for a unfinished 'PES Lite' product will not waste 500 gold coins a poorly made shirt instead of stacking their dream team with the endless overpowered players churned out bi weekly.
 
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klashman69 said:
Now my point. You know here in efootball PC Modding forums users extracting all the added kits for people to freely use. So if Konami released edit mode, all the monetary value obtained from peoples excess buying coin packs once they got their legend or epic of the bi weekly release will stop.
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Even in the PES days edit mode existed, and that didn't interfere with how "dream team" or myClub players worked. It would be trivial for them to make it so that dream team players can't be modified with edit mode.

klashman69 said:
This microtransaction is just too profitable to give up for edit mode! This is what matters to Konami. Money for no effort poor kits. That 500 gold coins spent on whatever poor kit they release along will other nonsense like avatars and pitch confetti foolishness means when the user runs out of coins he will reload another $5, $15, $50 and so on.
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In the last 6 months they've had 1 kit for sale, and even that isn't a retro kit so it's not like players actually buy them. If you look at the discourse about it in any eFootball related community you'll find that everybody just ignores it, nobody buys it. If Konami were to add retro kits back it would be a different story.

Speaking of retro kits, in PES 21 and in the earlier years of eFootball Konami did have a few kits (including some retro kits) in the shop. But all of them were only obtainable via the eFootball Point currency, which can only be obtained by playing the game and not spending money in the game.
 
We are still pointlessly arguing about the sex of angels (modification methods, kits, copyrights issues etc.), when the real problem remains the stupid mobile game with cards and objects auctions and gambling, with no possibility of playing soccer online and offline with a real or even approximate simulation, based on the fun achieved thanks to one's own skills against the real skills of other players.

Mobile phones it's the target with latests generations of Timmys and it's superficial approach on the real players ability in game
 
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Many players of new generation, who is instantly playing into eFootball so ugly.
Because they are spend too much own money, supporting this "ePachinko", they can't even lose is game, they close game after (2-0) on the field (on 15 minute of match), do not even doing attempts to win after, they instantly ruining connections for "win by any price, do nor matter what", they often doing weird things on the field, trying to be not a polite to a rival and say (good game, as it was in our generation), but trying to make specially worst things on the field for rival ...
It's very sad to see "who and how are playing right now" in modern "soccer" games ...

P.S. Just my 2 cents about all this ...
 
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