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FIFA 15 News & Discussion Thread

PU6HY said:
Yes it's worth playing in my opinion. I don't play v CPU so online depends on your style of play and the type of people you pay against. Fully assisted is crap playing v 5 star teams. Better with lower star teams but manual games are great in my opinion.
In all fairness though, nobody else's opinion matters does it? Try the demo and see what you think.
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I play only on the pc vs the ai. I cant be fucked with online. Id rather take my laptop to my mates house and play him. Online ranked is full of psycopaths. I'll have to download the demo on origin.
 
I've not played the game for a while, been playing the new PES, and thought I'd give it another go online.

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A 9-2 win.

It was 4-1 after 20 minutes.

Sorry guys. The game is shit. In my (strong) opinion, obviously. But it's based on my experiences. It's broken. (At least, it is online.)

I hope to God they change everything next year.
 
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That's why I never played FUT.It doesn't represent the fifa that I like.It's gameplay is different to the other modes.Any one who plays fifa know that.It's kids mode.
 
Nobleknight said:
That's why I never played FUT.It doesn't represent the fifa that I like.It's gameplay is different to the other modes.Any one who plays fifa know that.It's kids mode.
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It's still the same gameplay. I've played FUT, Seasons, offline, assisted, manual, and it's all pretty shit (at default settings).
 
Chris Davies said:
I've not played the game for a while, been playing the new PES, and thought I'd give it another go online.

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A 9-2 win.

It was 4-1 after 20 minutes.

Sorry guys. The game is shit. In my (strong) opinion, obviously. But it's based on my experiences. It's broken. (At least, it is online.)

I hope to God they change everything next year.
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I read in the PES thread that you stated is a kiddies game. On default settings I'd agree with you but labelling it that full stop when it has different settings available is quite ridiculous.
I guess there will never be a 9-2 game of PES online then?
Anyway, people can have their opinions of whatever game they want but labeling it a kids game isn't exactly true is it? I don't see all the kids playing on full manual so I can't agree with that comment sorry.
 
wolly1979 said:
NO WAY...it's different
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How so?

I've seen the same bullshit happen in Seasons as in FUT. It might happen a little bit more in FUT, but it's still the same.

And I couldn't agree more with Chris that FIFA this year feels like a kids game - very little thought, very little skill required to succeed.
 
If it's fully a kids game stick them all on manual and see how they get on with it. Stupid comment in my opinion. Parts of it are for kids but not all of it so can't agree with that comment. PES on default settings is like pingpong too so cannot understand how everyone is wanking over that now.
I've had some enjoyable games on PES using the trigger all the time for manual passing (I've found out how to set it to manual without that now) but wouldn't go overboard with it like some are. It's decent. Both games are in my opinion.
 
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FIFA requires little thought, little skill, hence it's a kids game is a stupid comment, and you're supposedly intelligent reply is just to force everyone to play manual. Seriously?

(And I call bullshit on PES being pingpong passing, especially on the highest difficulty. I can easily button mash my way to scoring 3+ goals in FIFA, against CPU or human opponents; I think I've scored 3 once in PES on the highest difficulty.)
 
I'm still loving the game against the CPU, playing online almost made me hate the game, so i'm not doing that again.
 
mfmaxpower said:
FIFA requires little thought, little skill, hence it's a kids game is a stupid comment, and you're supposedly intelligent reply is just to force everyone to play manual. Seriously?

(And I call bullshit on PES being pingpong passing, especially on the highest difficulty. I can easily button mash my way to scoring 3+ goals in FIFA, against CPU or human opponents; I think I've scored 3 once in PES on the highest difficulty.)
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Who is forcing anybody? I said to fully call it a kiddies game is bollocks as due to the option of manual that statement is not true. That's pretty much a fact as far as I'm concerned.

Who mentioned scoring in any game? Pingponging is nothing to do with scoring. It's passing and I just pingponged the hell out of the ball so you can call bullshit as much as you want fella but it doesn't change the fact I just passed the ball around just like I can do on FIFA's default settings.
 
PU6HY said:
Who is forcing anybody? I said to fully call it a kiddies game is bollocks as due to the option of manual that statement is not true. That's pretty much a fact as far as I'm concerned.

Who mentioned scoring in any game? Pingponging is nothing to do with scoring. It's passing and I just pingponged the hell out of the ball so you can call bullshit as much as you want fella but it doesn't change the fact I just passed the ball around just like I can do on FIFA's default settings.
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You seem to struggle with the fact that when the vast majority of us are talking about FIFA, we're talking about FIFA on the default settings - the base gameplay it offers and the version of the game that is marketed by EA and played by most people.

There are options to improve the FIFA experience, with sliders and passing settings, though those settings are for everyone, like myself, but regardless they only paper over the cracks and don't change the fact that the game as marketed and played by most is a simplistic, shallow, flawed, and arcade representation of football.

Calling it a kids game might be a tad harsh - a tad - but it certainly can feel like it when playing on default settings, especially online. Even at its best, it still feels like a very shallow experience.
 
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mfmaxpower said:
FIFA requires little thought, little skill, hence it's a kids game is a stupid comment, and you're supposedly intelligent reply is just to force everyone to play manual. Seriously?

(And I call bullshit on PES being pingpong passing, especially on the highest difficulty. I can easily button mash my way to scoring 3+ goals in FIFA, against CPU or human opponents; I think I've scored 3 once in PES on the highest difficulty.)
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PES is a table tennis game.Every pass is the same.There's no real time physics or logic in that game.Most of the situations are predetermined.All the players have the same speed on the ball.And Godin or Pique can catch the likes of Ronaldo easily thanks to the amateurish catch up mechanics. I've been playing PES more than you. So I can see that it's the same game even with the so called "new engine". PES2011 was the only game that lasted longer on PS3.After that decreased from a month to a week esp this year's game.It feels like a fresh game to you but sooner you will see what I mean. Every single 1-on-1 is the same.Keepers don't think they just stick to their line.They have a force field around them when they jump in the air. Heads are scripted. Your teammates shy away from going forward.

There are no fouls for you but CPU can get away with it.Playing 20 mins matches results in other matches be like 6-4,8-1.And you call fifa kids game? I'm sorry that I'm tired of playing a scrpted game of football that fakes individuality but using a sort of force field around players.Fifa's individuality isn't perfect but I like freedom more than scripted situations that will get repetitive the more you play.
 
mfmaxpower said:
You seem to struggle with the fact that when the vast majority of us are talking about FIFA, we're talking about FIFA on the default settings - the base gameplay it offers and the version of the game that is marketed by EA and played by most people.

There are options to improve the FIFA experience, with sliders and passing settings, though those settings are for everyone, like myself, but regardless they only paper over the cracks and don't change the fact that the game as marketed and played by most is a simplistic, shallow, flawed, and arcade representation of football.

Calling it a kids game might be a tad harsh - a tad - but it certainly can feel like it when playing on default settings, especially online. Even at its best, it still feels like a very shallow experience.
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How am I struggling to understand that when I clearly said there are options there?

I said it's bollocks for somebody to fully call it a kiddies game so the one struggling to understand things is you fella as I have also clearly said the game is shit on default settings.
 
PU6HY said:
If it's fully a kids game stick them all on manual and see how they get on with it. Stupid comment in my opinion.
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Here we go again. You play your way and enjoy it, great. The game is designed with non-manual players in mind too, and my belief is that if I need to spend hours learning how to stop myself kicking the ball out of play with a world class player then it's less of a game and more of a ballache. I don't have the time to do that. Ditch fully auto, I agree. Because it's *too* auto. Put everyone on semi. Then you're not going to see a world class player kicking the ball out of play every time he gets the ball (which is what would happen if it was me controlling him), but you'll see the passes misplaced if the aim is too far off, or in a stupid place to put a pass.

In my opinion, fully manual is akin to having a body balance stick, a button for left foot and a button for right foot, and a knee control trigger. That's my opinion. I'm glad the option is there for everyone who enjoys it, but I don't - and just because I don't enjoy it, doesn't mean the game should be written off for me. Ditch (or fix) fully auto, leave semi, make that the default.

Also. I want to play Ultimate Team because it's an online mode with some permanence and meaning. It's not endless friendlies and a set squad you can't improve. It's the only online career mode. So, for me (and others like me, who aren't the majority - which you should understand being a manual player), I'm a bit fucked. It's the only mode I'm interested in.

PU6HY said:
I guess there will never be a 9-2 game of PES online then?
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Terrible argument but okay, I'll bite.

Yeah there will be a 9-2 on PES. But I'm averaging 5 goals a game on Ultimate Team, with a 10 goal thriller once a week (and that's being kind, and also excluding the games where the other guy quits once he's 3 or 4 goals down). My last five games on PES? 3-0, 2-0, 2-1, 0-1, 1-1. The gameplay is stiffer, freedom is stifled, ball physics aren't as good - as a result, the game is more realistic, it requires intelligence ahead of reflexes, and delivers realistic scorelines as a result. I'd rather have that. (My opinion.)

No doubt FIFA's good points are genuinely amazing feats of programming. But there's not enough CPU power to have those good points, plus Pro Evo's. And if FIFA's good points give me 9-2 games regularly online, what good are they really to me? Where is the satisfaction?

("So play manual then", no, read the first bit again, I shouldn't have to, and I can't play other manual players on Ultimate Team anyway...)

Placebo said:
I'm very happy the Fifa I play is nothing like the Fifa some of you are playing, think it must be defective...
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You only play offline, with sliders, on fully manual. You only see the best of the game. You lucky bastard. ;)
 
Chris Davies said:
Here we go again. You play your way and enjoy it, great. The game is designed with non-manual players in mind too, and my belief is that if I need to spend hours learning how to stop myself kicking the ball out of play with a world class player then it's less of a game and more of a ballache. I don't have the time to do that. Ditch fully auto, I agree. Because it's *too* auto. Put everyone on semi. Then you're not going to see a world class player kicking the ball out of play every time he gets the ball (which is what would happen if it was me controlling him), but you'll see the passes misplaced if the aim is too far off, or in a stupid place to put a pass.

In my opinion, fully manual is akin to having a body balance stick, a button for left foot and a button for right foot, and a knee control trigger. That's my opinion. I'm glad the option is there for everyone who enjoys it, but I don't - and just because I don't enjoy it, doesn't mean the game should be written off for me. Ditch (or fix) fully auto, leave semi, make that the default.

Also. I want to play Ultimate Team because it's an online mode with some permanence and meaning. It's not endless friendlies and a set squad you can't improve. It's the only online career mode. So, for me (and others like me, who aren't the majority - which you should understand being a manual player), I'm a bit fucked. It's the only mode I'm interested in.


Terrible argument but okay, I'll bite.

Yeah there will be a 9-2 on PES. But I'm averaging 5 goals a game on Ultimate Team, with a 10 goal thriller once a week (and that's being kind, and also excluding the games where the other guy quits once he's 3 or 4 goals down). My last five games on PES? 3-0, 2-0, 2-1, 0-1, 1-1. The gameplay is stiffer, freedom is stifled, ball physics aren't as good - as a result, the game is more realistic, it requires intelligence ahead of reflexes, and delivers realistic scorelines as a result. I'd rather have that. (My opinion.)

No doubt FIFA's good points are genuinely amazing feats of programming. But there's not enough CPU power to have those good points, plus Pro Evo's. And if FIFA's good points give me 9-2 games regularly online, what good are they really to me? Where is the satisfaction?

("So play manual then", no, read the first bit again, I shouldn't have to, and I can't play other manual players on Ultimate Team anyway...)


You only play offline, with sliders, on fully manual. You only see the best of the game. You lucky bastard. ;)
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Here we go again is exactly what I thought when you posted what you did fella. You don't like the game but for the life of me, why repeat it every few weeks. It's strange behaviour. You won't find me on the COD thread blabbing on about the same thing over and over again so give it a rest and move on and please don't come back in a few weeks and say the same type of thing again as it's boring.
 
PU6HY said:
Here we go again is exactly what I thought when you posted what you did fella. You don't like the game but for the life of me, why repeat it every few weeks.
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Why do you keep responding just as often telling everyone YOU like it so THAT'S okay? (Just as easy to turn that around.)

It's all about opinions, fella. You've said many a time you don't understand people taking the time to "moan". Why are you wasting your time to counter-moan? Because praise, or moaning, are opinion-based, and that's what a forum is for... If you find it as boring as you say, you wouldn't keep replying and/or visiting this place. That's all it's for - talk!

I try to back my opinions up. They're not based on five minute play sessions, they're based on a passion for football games (which is another opinion I know you disagree with because I've seen you write "how can people talk so much about a football game, it's only a game" repeatedly).

I do that to incite discussion, and occasionally in the hope that others agree (so that maybe there's hope the title will change in the future, if a lot of the fanbase agree), or in-case there's a workaround (perhaps if I play a fully manual game online I'll enjoy it, which I haven't done, and shouldn't have to - it means I can't play an online mode with permanence for a start, unless I want to put myself at a massive disadvantage - but I've bought the game and love the ball physics etc. so if there's a way I can enjoy it, I'll try it).
 
Placebo said:
Yep, I'm sensible ;)

If the only option in a football game was online I simply wouldn't play a football game, no idea why people put themselves through it, but then I'd apply that logic to any game TBH.
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The joy of outwitting someone (as opposed to a limited AI) is great, in my book. But that only counts when you're actually outwitting someone as opposed to out-glitching them or out-reflexing them, or beating them because you know the code better than the sport. There are frameworks that lessen those things - I'm not feeling cheated online in PES (YET!!) and it doesn't happen in Football Manager.

I don't understand how you can only play offline, there's only so much AI can do - but it's each to their own and while there's no online manager mode, I'm glad it's there!
 
CBA
Pretty sure my opinions aren't based over 5 mins either and I reckon I've years on you but yes, it is just a bloody game and I understand people saying whatever but saying it repeatedly is crazy. What's the point? I just responded to crap saying its a kiddies game when I'm certainly not a kid so call bullshit on that.
 
Nobleknight said:
PES is a table tennis game.Every pass is the same.There's no real time physics or logic in that game.Most of the situations are predetermined.All the players have the same speed on the ball.And Godin or Pique can catch the likes of Ronaldo easily thanks to the amateurish catch up mechanics. I've been playing PES more than you. So I can see that it's the same game even with the so called "new engine". PES2011 was the only game that lasted longer on PS3.After that decreased from a month to a week esp this year's game.It feels like a fresh game to you but sooner you will see what I mean. Every single 1-on-1 is the same.Keepers don't think they just stick to their line.They have a force field around them when they jump in the air. Heads are scripted. Your teammates shy away from going forward.

There are no fouls for you but CPU can get away with it.Playing 20 mins matches results in other matches be like 6-4,8-1.And you call fifa kids game? I'm sorry that I'm tired of playing a scrpted game of football that fakes individuality but using a sort of force field around players.Fifa's individuality isn't perfect but I like freedom more than scripted situations that will get repetitive the more you play.
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Good to know that you've read other peoples posts, took them and put them all in your one post as if it's all of your own experience.

;)

I think you've just described Fifa perfectly there in the bold part.

Anyway, suit yourself, but I'd just like to say that many of what you've said there isn't true.

To each their own though.
 
PU6HY said:
Pretty sure my opinions aren't based over 5 mins either
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I didn't say they were...!

My point was that before you dismiss someone else's opinion, consider the fact that they may play just as often as you, and want to enjoy it as much as you (if not more seeing as it's "just a game" to you). ;)

The game is great for you (and others) because of the way you play it, it's terrible for me because of the way I play it. I play Ultimate Team because I want to develop a team (online), but it plays like a kids game. (Yes, I've played other online modes, and they play the same to my mind - no build up play necessary, it may as well be called Let's Just Score Goals And Not Bother With The Rest Of Football 15).

If I were to use manual controls, there's no filter on Ultimate Team, so I'd be at a disadvantage even if I was good at it. Which I definitely wouldn't be without practicing until FIFA 16.

They could fix it for me without breaking it for you. My assessment is as valid as yours.

Dude, if you "CBA", why are you pushing the "post" button... A discussion has many sides and the point you support isn't the only right answer.
 
Lami said:
Good to know that you've read other peoples posts, took them and put them all in your one post as if it's all of your own experience.

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haha hilarious.very mature of you to say that I'm a liar but in indirect words :APPLAUD:
It's my experience in a week with the game since last Tuesday.Playing through 3 copa libertadores on Top player & superstar.Manual passing,shooting and basic through balls.Blimp camera which isn't available online for some weird decision.
You could have said you don't agree with me but instead you decided to go that cheap way.
Thank you for those kind words.This proves my theory about PES fans lately. ;)
 
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noble :)

Calm down man,trust me, you take things WAY too serious. You'll end up making yourself ill and making enemies for no reason. Your a good guy, remember your empathy and try and accept other peoples opinions for their own perspective and be content with your own views which suit you.

I tried the demo. Its the same old FIFA with vastly added freedom.

- The off the pitch is wonderful apart from the clone, droid like way they shake hands and stand around before kick off or in the parts where they get the ball for a throw in and free kicks, which needs working on.

- Worst thing really is the movement and general on the ball dribbling, it's feels like FIFA 05, it really does, FIFA 10 had a better dribbling system than this, it's so easy and low gen, feels horrible and dated. Feels like the player is ice skating when you hold down R2, the running motion is looks strange and odd The general movement is far too easy, lack of any individuality in their movement, dribbling is practically the same with players with similar overalls, unless they are slow you don't notice much of a difference and the difference is just pace really. No amount of sliders can fix the dribbling issues, yeah you can slow it down to have a better experience but the game. PES's sprinting isn't perfect either, since 2014 it's had issues, it's too basic and they go from jog directly to sprint which isn't good, it still much better than EA's because it actually fits into the game.

This undermines the best part of FIFA 15 which is the expanded freedom. Its really good and goals do vary all the time, problem is actually scoring the goal is easy and feels broken how you get there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_tbtpSMYRs

This video sums up the issues with fifa

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"Why it feels so different? Simplicity!"

"With FIFA now, you got all these systems and engines at play at play. 'Impact engine', 'Pro Passing', 'first touch control', 'man to man battles', 'precision dribbling', 'tactical defending', 'pro player intelligence'."

"At ties it feels as if all those components are not singing from the same hymm sheet, and aren't in total harmony."

Thats the killer for me, that fits right into what i been saying in the buildup and EA's age old problem.

Cutting corners.

FIFA has elements which are simulation like impact engine, first touch control and pro player intelligence which are undermined by their exterior placement in the game, they aren't stat relevant properly and end up causing more problems than good, then they have pure arcade factors like the dribbling and skill moves which never fail, FIFA is a very unbalanced, mechanical game despite the freedom allowed by the movement it gives you too much freedom in some places and not enough in others.

Their arrogance in thinking FIFA 10 was perfect, oh no, just add pro passing and it will be perfect, then oh just add tactical defending and it will be perfect, then first touch etc..and so on and so on. Instead of doing the work within the core engine, add stat relevance, add milestones like in PES where players over certain attribute levels can do more with the ball than others, adjusting the entire game to address the balance issues, they cut corners and stuck exterior engines on top of a dated flawed system.

EA are essentially fucked when it comes to gameplay, Konami have succeed this year, but just making the game more simple, which is horrible news because Konami have already done and developed in previous games a deeper more advanced game, take the tactics in PES this year, last year was deeper tactically, just more complicated and Konami made no effort like they did this year to actually set AI teams up like they do in real life, same with 2013. Essentially Konami know what they need and what route to go down, they will just add things back from previous games.

EA need to strip the entire gameplay down if they are to go forward, EA's gameplay is like a boy racer with all these gadgets sticking out of it. the dribbling and movement just needs to be done again from scratch or they may end up in a worse position than Konami did on the last gen.

It's time more than ever for EA to stop cutting corners and start building a new gameplay. If anything maybe go back to the 2010 World Cup game and rework the game from there. FIFA needs a revolution on the pitch.
 
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klashman69 said:
- Worst thing really is the movement and general on the ball dribbling, it's feels like FIFA 05, it really does, FIFA 10 had a better dribbling system than this, it's so easy and low gen, feels horrible and dated. Feels like the player is ice skating when you hold down R2, the running motion is looks strange and odd The general movement is far too easy, lack of any individuality in their movement, dribbling is practically the same with players with similar overalls, unless they are slow you don't notice much of a difference and the difference is just pace really. No amount of sliders can fix the dribbling issues, yeah you can slow it down to have a better experience but the game. PES's sprinting isn't perfect either, since 2014 it's had issues, it's too basic and they go from jog directly to sprint which isn't good, it still much better than EA's because it actually fits into the game.
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Actually I'd argue that FIFA 15's dribbling is pretty fantastic, though it's overpowered. I love the dribbling in this year's FIFA - it's just that the defensive side of the game, in terms of both AI and defensive mechanics, is extremely poor in relative terms.

And there's plenty of individuality in movement and dribbling. I played Seasons with Borussia Dortmund and I notice a huge difference between moving and dribbling with Reus vs Kagawa vs Gundogan vs Hummels. Individuality in regards to physical attributes is just fine in FIFA; non-physical individuality, not as much.

What's interesting is that going from PES to FIFA, or vice-versas, each game's player movement systems feels gross after playing the other - after FIFA, PES feels slow, sluggish, and unresponsive at times; whereas after playing PES, FIFA feels weightless, super-fast, and almost too empowering.

But you give each game time, and you realize that within each's own physics systems, they're both pretty good. The problem is that where PES's systems are well balanced, FIFA has some serious imbalances and flaws that lead to exploits and unrealistic football. You fix those imbalances in FIFA - especially its horrible AI and under-powered defending, and you'd have a pretty solid game at default.
 
I only play Fifa at lunch times at work with my friend and I think it is great on ps4.

We rarely have high scoring games and often have draws of 1-1 0-0 or wins by 1 goal.

And i am playin on default settings and not manual or semi (he cant play with them) and I am having fun with it.

The freedom of the ball is great and styles of goals are varied.

Havent played online or agains the CPU yet though.
 
Pu6hy having a set 2 with Jack, he has know idea who he's taking on. Leave it Pu6hy you will not beat him. Many have tried, many have died.:COAT:
 
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