GOALS - oh good, another eSports soccer game

In my video If stats dodn’t matter like you said, this shot would have been on target. Why would it go that far off goal? It might not have gone in, as you say, but there’s no reason for it to miss the target if stats don’t matter.

You seem so desperate to support your opinion that you went from saying “stats don’t matter in GOALS” to “why would you shoot from that distance,” then to “it’s normal for the ball to go there,” and you end up at “in 1v1 situations stats don’t matter and everything goes in.” First, clarify what you actually mean and what you believe about GOALS. To start with: do stats matter or not? It’s a clear and specific question.

Because it’s one thing to say you don’t like the feel of a football game, and ultimately that you don’t like it because it’s arcade and you want something closer to what you see on TV, and another to come up with countless excuses to dismiss it.

Also, the way you phrase things with lines like “I am honestly amazed that you thought…” or “It is actually kind of shocking that you say…” doesn’t strengthen your argument or make it more valid.

Personally, I never said that GOALS comes close to being a football simulator. Not even close. It’s an arcade football game, like most of what’s out there right now, just with a different focus.

Honestly, I’m still waiting for you to tell me which modern football game you think comes closest to what you have in mind as an ideal. That way, we can at least have a common point of reference for the discussion.
 
I'm bored so downloaded this and just played my 1st game v a human.

Tell you what, I don't hate this at all. Obviously I'm looking past the limitations, but this is wayyy more fun than the last EAFC game I played.

It just feels like I'm rewarded for good decision making and control, more like real football. Unlike EAFC.
 
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In my video If stats dodn’t matter like you said, this shot would have been on target. Why would it go that far off goal? It might not have gone in, as you say, but there’s no reason for it to miss the target if stats don’t matter.

You seem so desperate to support your opinion that you went from saying “stats don’t matter in GOALS” to “why would you shoot from that distance,” then to “it’s normal for the ball to go there,” and you end up at “in 1v1 situations stats don’t matter and everything goes in.” First, clarify what you actually mean and what you believe about GOALS. To start with: do stats matter or not? It’s a clear and specific question.

Because it’s one thing to say you don’t like the feel of a football game, and ultimately that you don’t like it because it’s arcade and you want something closer to what you see on TV, and another to come up with countless excuses to dismiss it.

Also, the way you phrase things with lines like “I am honestly amazed that you thought…” or “It is actually kind of shocking that you say…” doesn’t strengthen your argument or make it more valid.

Personally, I never said that GOALS comes close to being a football simulator. Not even close. It’s an arcade football game, like most of what’s out there right now, just with a different focus.

Honestly, I’m still waiting for you to tell me which modern football game you think comes closest to what you have in mind as an ideal. That way, we can at least have a common point of reference for the discussion.
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Did you even read what I said? The ball shouldn't be on target if it is a 40 rated shot or an 80 rated shot. In a good football game it should rarely be on target. So you trying to prove that stats matter with a shot that in any good football game shouldn't be on target no matter the stats literally doesn't proof anything. You asked why should the ball go so far off goal? I gave you the answer: because you shot from an awful angle where the ball should go off goal.

Regarding which football game is the closest? Fifa 16 probably or PES 13.

Also again you miss my argument: just because no current game hits the target of a realistic football game doesn't mean I now should accept a shitty arcade football game that has nothing to do with real football.

And no stats don't matter in Goals. That's what I mean. Go in a situation close to goal and shoot with a low rated player. Try it 40 times from the same position and the ball will go in goal the same amount of time as with an 80 rated player. I literally tried it out myself. They don't miss how they should with lower rated stats.

Same for passing. Where is the spread with a lower rated player? It doesn't exist.

I never moved my argument. You just picked an awful video that didn't show anything. Like I said. Pick a close angle to goal, 1 vs 1 and shoot 50 times on goal with a shitty player and see how much stats influence the shot.

I don't even know what we are fighting about to be honest.

You think the game is amazing: good for you. But you won't convince me. For me it is not and you won't magically make me feel different about it.

So if you enjoy it, more power to you and have fun with it.

I can't enjoy an Arcade game like that because it is not what I want in a football game..

Also if you really want a modern example then probably FC 26 with Anth James Gameplay mod. What he has done with the gameplay hits a lot of my tastes of a football game. But I didn't want to first include a mod since it is not the out of the box experience.

I also enjoy some of the PES 21 gameplay mods.
 
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Pagi84 said:
I'm bored so downloaded this and just played my 1st game v a human.

Tell you what, I don't hate this at all. Obviously I'm looking past the limitations, but this is wayyy more fun than the last EAFC game I played.

It just feels like I'm rewarded for good decision making and control, more like real football. Unlike EAFC.
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Ok, 2nd game was a joke, so I'm done. Defensive system is waste of time and pace is everything.
 
I’m not trying to convince you of anything. I honestly don’t care what you like, it’s something personal for each of us, and it goes both ways. I don’t know why you think I’m trying to convince you of something. I could say the same about you, that you’re trying to convince me that GOALS is bad. Right?

Also, I never said that GOALS is amazing. “Amazing” is far from what I want. What I am saying, is that I enjoy playing it. It’s as simple as that.

Now, about 1v1 situations, it’s reasonable for any player to at least get the shot on target. Not necessarily score, but hit the target. As for the angle I’m shooting from, yes, it’s a difficult angle, but are you saying top players don’t hit the target from there? I think they do quite easily.

I haven’t played EA FC 26 or the mod you mentioned, so I can’t really have an opinion. Besides, since I play exclusively against human opponents, and unfortunately couch play is no longer an option, so online is the only choice, I can’t use mods anyway, which means I’m not really interested in them. From a video I saw on YouTube, it looks very nice, but I don’t know how the gameplay actually feels.
 
Yes top players don't hit the target regularly when they just did a quick turn beforehand and at that running speed at that angle. Just ask yourself: how often have you seen someone a) try to shoot from there and b) hit the target or even score from there?
 
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Yes top players don't hit the target regularly when they just did a quick turn beforehand and at that running speed at that angle. Just ask yourself: how often have you seen someone a) try to shoot from there and b) hit the target or even score from there?
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The truth is not quite often, but i like to try new things in my game.
 
broxopios said:
I’m coming back with a play I just had, where my right back with 47 shooting executed the shot like this. If stats didn’t matter, the shot might have gone on target or even ended up as a goal.

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Players are ice skating instead of running, and I don't know what they're kicking, but that's definitely not a football.
Or maybe they're just playing on another planet with different physics.
 
Richie said:
Players are ice skating instead of running, and I don't know what they're kicking, but that's definitely not a football.
Or maybe they're just playing on another planet with different physics.
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Haha i saw this clip and oh my god what the fuck is wrong with the ball physics.
Even if I accept that this is some kind of minigame in a game like Final Fantasy, this ball physics is an insult.


This single developer seems to me to be the only remaining hope.
 
Marreco said:
Haha i saw this clip and oh my god what the fuck is wrong with the ball physics.
Even if I accept that this is some kind of minigame in a game like Final Fantasy, this ball physics is an insult.


This single developer seems to me to be the only remaining hope.
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That's actually really impressive, gonna subscribe to this guy...thanks for providing the link
 
Marreco said:
Haha i saw this clip and oh my god what the fuck is wrong with the ball physics.
Even if I accept that this is some kind of minigame in a game like Final Fantasy, this ball physics is an insult.


This single developer seems to me to be the only remaining hope.
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I don't want to get my hopes up, as the project looks REALLY ambitious, but the guy seems really determined and at this point I'll cling to anything :D.

I subscribed and will support him as long as the development will look alive.
 
Richie said:
Players are ice skating instead of running, and I don't know what they're kicking, but that's definitely not a football.
Or maybe they're just playing on another planet with different physics.
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However, playing it, I didn't get the feeling that there is any ice-skating. Quite the opposite, actually. I felt the players were stepping quite firmly on the turf. Now, are they lighter than in eFootball, for example? Yes, they are.


Marreco said:
Haha i saw this clip and oh my god what the fuck is wrong with the ball physics.
Even if I accept that this is some kind of minigame in a game like Final Fantasy, this ball physics is an insult.


This single developer seems to me to be the only remaining hope.
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I hope something good comes out of the guy with the video. But it's one thing to make a person just run correctly and another to merge and combine running with ball control, passing, shooting, and the overall snappiness of football. I haven't seen that happen for years. Because it's all well and good to say "great physics," but the actual gameplay ends up being off-putting. Take eFootball, for instance. I even played the latest update. If you're saying that GOALS has nothing to do with football, I think eFootball takes first prize in that category. Unless you now mean that it's more important for a game to look good than to play well.
 
GOALS was released 10 minutes ago. It’s now called NO GOALS and is included in the installation following the download of the 2.43 GB file.

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The trailer, to me, is just influencers saying "look how great I am at this game; it must be a great game". It's absolutely pathetic, but also, encapsulates the eSports / FUT mindset perfectly.

It's why that lunatic streamer - I forget his name, but he's one of the "founder members" of this project - quit FC so loudly / dramatically. "I lost, your game is the problem, your game is garbage, wah".

However, the players out there who want the pinball experience now have many places to find it. This being the most pinball of all.

So can EA now stop catering to them as a priority, and deliver something unique instead? ...in my dreams.

EDIT: Zero work to create chances, zero thought involved. It scares me that this is considered good to anyone.

 
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I like it. It's responsive, simple, fun. I'm tired of football games that try to act realistic, full of RNG and fake suspense. The new SWOS in my opinion
 
broxopios said:
I like it. It's responsive, simple, fun. I'm tired of football games that try to act realistic, full of RNG and fake suspense. The new SWOS in my opinion
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I don't see any suspense (fake or otherwise) in any current modern football game - there's no thought needed to find a free man, no putting a passing move together to unlock a defence, no accuracy required in your pass aim even. So no suspense - just pass pass shoot.

To each his own, though. I get the SWOS angle. But even SWOS had a loose ball and required your input to be accurate (and even knowledge of the players to a degree - trying to dribble with someone who didn't have the capability would result in them leaving the ball behind).
 
Chris Davies said:
I don't see any suspense (fake or otherwise) in any current modern football game - there's no thought needed to find a free man, no putting a passing move together to unlock a defence, no accuracy required in your pass aim even. So no suspense - just pass pass shoot.

To each his own, though. I get the SWOS angle. But even SWOS had a loose ball and required your input to be accurate (and even knowledge of the players to a degree - trying to dribble with someone who didn't have the capability would result in them leaving the ball behind).
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When I mentioned fake suspense, I was referring to situations where you concede an equalizer or a winning/losing goal just because the game allows it and not due to the user's skills, solely to make the match 'interesting.'

Regarding SWOS, yes, it had the ball detach from the feet and required a skill gap. However, I must say, because there is a different perception regarding stats, statistics matter to a massive extent in GOALS. Far more than any football game currently on the market. However, in some stats there is no error that many would expect, because the developers have stated that they do not want RNG in their game. For example, a low passing stat does not translate into ball deviation and error, but rather into how much power it will have to reach the player.

At some point, while I had a fast defender, I noticed that a striker with the exact same speed managed to outrun me. I reported this to the devs and they replied that speed is combined with agility. So, if a player has high speed but low agility, it affects them during direction changes and makes them look slower. I must say I liked this, and now I pay attention to this combination as well. Also, because of the stats, you can see a massive difference if you have a good team and play against a player with a bad team.

In addition, the passes you mentioned require precise aiming, otherwise the pass goes wrong. This is something I personally do not prefer and would want to be closer to FC/eFootball, but I understand the target which is the skill gap.

I believe the game doesn't have wide acceptance due to the simplistic graphics, simplistic animations, the fact that it has no licensing, and that it is an esports game. However, I also understand the majority here who do not like it. I'm not trying to convince anyone otherwise. I'm just putting forward a different opinion.

As I have said before, since I was young and during the PES 1-6 era (and even older), I was a 1v1 player. I rarely played Master League, and mostly just to fill the gap when we weren't gathered at home to play with friends. There is no comparison to playing against a human opponent. The bad thing is that in recent years there are no people around to do this with, so online, as toxic as it may be, is the only way.
 
The game has low acceptance because it is shit.

Like they don't want RNG in their game, just say you don't want to make a football game.

All good if you enjoy it, I just don't understand how a game that has 0 to do with what makes football great (and RNG is part of that), can be considered good.

And no stats still don't matter in Goals. Especially since there is no RNG. Like RNG is one of the most important parts of football. Physics matter, deflections happen, balls can get weird because they hit a limb. That is literally what makes football fun and unpredictable.

Like honestly this might be the worst game where you move a ball between players and shoot on goals I have seen in a long time (don't even want to call it a football game). The new Speedball game is a more realistic representation of football than this.
 
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I wonder, is it possible to programme a football game featuring a round ball without using RNG?
Isn’t the goalkeeper already subject to RNG, given the random nature of his physical condition or the way the ball rebounds? If it isn’t RNG, when does the goalkeeper catch the ball 100% of the time, and when does he let it rebound – and in which direction? (IOr can RNG only come about if the game has good body physics and physics?)

What really isn’t RNG in GOALS is the fact that the goalkeeper doesn’t actually save anything unless you make him run/rush out of the goal (manually using the Y button on the Xbox controller).

I played the game in the PC beta and also played three matches yesterday. I don’t know how, purely from a footballing perspective, this is supposed to be fun after 50 games, unless chasing unlockables is your main source of motivation.

In my opinion, in its current state, it’s a game that doesn’t even come close to reflecting the gameplay of a football game worth taking seriously.

I found it interesting that The Italian Stallion, who criticised FIFA on YouTube up until around 2021 for its defensive behaviour, is involved in a game like this. Sure, he can improve the game in the future, but he wouldn’t have played it for long himself if the game had been released in 2021.

At the moment, they’re just hiding everything – it’s all down to your skill; the gameplay isn’t anywhere near the standard of a 2026 game.
 
I reckon they’re doing what every company does. At the start, they present themselves as saviours to attract customers. Once they’ve got the customers, they raise the prices. I mean, without licences, they probably have too few players (young players?) who actually play the game, and they’ve got to make money somehow.

How do you do that in a free-to-play game without cosmetic items or pay-to-win?

Maybe donations could work with the younger generation. Basically, a ‘fund my lifestyle’ button :D
 
Well, when your philosophy is like the FIFA influencer, saying that "to create a good football game with fun, we got to create one game with a lot of goals"
He probably don't like EA FC, too sim for him
 
As I said, I'm not here to convince anyone about the game. I'm happy that I like it and I play, you're happy that you don't like it and you don't play. We move on.

However, saying as an objective fact that stats don't matter is out of place. I've played the game since the beta for over 100 hours and I can say this with certainty. You can have your opinion about the game, but saying that stats don't matter is something I don't understand. However, it remains your opinion, so here too, we move on.
 
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