Master league is a dream team gamemode, so it will only use players that you own. By default you don't own any "authentic" players so even for master league I think we'll have to use GP to purchase players.
eFootball (All Platforms)
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FC Bayern
M II K U
Watching the wee video about edit mode, it's nonsense. "We've worked hard to get licensing we never had before", but failed to mention the licensing lost. The majority of European leagues are unlicensed. Only SPFL, Eredivisie, Liga Betclic (Portugal) & Ligue 1/2 are fully licensed, other leagues have between 1-7 teams licensed, the latter number a rarity, as most are 1-3 teams only. Ok, I understand the copyright issue. But a kit that looks similar might pass, one that is exact would not.
Would these kits break copyright? We're not asking for the old style adding kit images onto the kits in-game. But even a PES3-PES6 style editor, or what FC have for their create a team career mode would be enough
Would these kits break copyright? We're not asking for the old style adding kit images onto the kits in-game. But even a PES3-PES6 style editor, or what FC have for their create a team career mode would be enough
Jay-Jay 10
League 1
- 6 July 2021
I don't get your question honestly. None of us can answer if those kits would be too close since we are not lawyers. My guess would be yes since on the left it is far too close to the Nike logo but again you would have to ask a lawyer who looks into these topics.
FC Bayern
M II K U
Can you license a tick though? It's similar, but not exact. Even so, it's an example. They could offer 'safe' random shapes as the supplier logo (i.e. the triangle for adidas) and similar random fake sponsors for the front. And a number of templates to use as in the PS2 games.
And tbh, my question was more hypothetical than genuine. Don't even know how deep all this copyright stuff would go tbh. "You can't have x amount of stripes but y amount is ok." It's merely an idea as to what can be done to not break actual copyright. Anyone who's watched the Saipan movie with Steve Coogan will know they didn't get the rights to use the Umbro logo, so used this double design instead
VENOM59
Non-League
- 23 January 2022
I wish the game would at least introduce league and cup modes where we can play with real teams. The Master League is already gone, so why not have introduced these within the past five years? I want to play the game offline, but how far can I get by just playing exhibition matches? It's disappointing that there's nothing being done for offline players like me.
I played this match yesterday, and while I did enjoy some moments, the absence of league and cup modes found in older games is unacceptable.
I played this match yesterday, and while I did enjoy some moments, the absence of league and cup modes found in older games is unacceptable.
You can play MyLeague, I think it is close to what you're looking for.
VENOM59
Non-League
- 23 January 2022
Yes but you can play this mod with dream team right?
Jay-Jay 10
League 1
- 6 July 2021
The workaround is buying the players with GO that belong to the real team
GP is a currency that cannot be bought with money, it is obtained by playing the game.
What? I really don't get what you mean. All I did was correct you.
FC Bayern
M II K U
It's more than GP though, isn't it? Coins, points... I don't any of the real hardcore players bother with GP
Most dream team players are purchased with coins (which is the currency you can buy with money). However, the kind of players that Jay-Jay10 was referring to ("authentic" players) are bought with GP.
gabe.paul.logan
Too old for this s***
There are other online games out there with image importing option. Also there could not be any new law that regulates FIFA licensed players being grouped together like the official licensed team yet they dont have the name, stadium, kit etc. You can not just license other licenses and random kit colors and not licensed words.
Only thing i can imagine that the licensed teams ONLY signed the deals if Konami does not have edit mode and with that potentially hurt the marketing of their license in the game.
Jay-Jay 10
League 1
- 6 July 2021
As said before: football is not other games.
Don't get your other point. Yes because of Fifpro they can circumvent team composition, but they still can't have jerseys to close to reality and so on.
like I said before I am pretty sure there is a reason why EA made the Milan jerseys look so different from the original. Otherwise why wouldn't they have ones that are basically as close to reality as possible.
There was also the Fifpro discussion with Ibrahimovic saying he is not a member of Fifpro, even if players playing in Italy at that time were: https://technologyquotient.freshfie...ole-of-digital-likeness-in-sports-video-games
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gabe.paul.logan
Too old for this s***
My point is you can not legally regulate whether a football game has edit mode or not. You just cant. Unless you are already partnered and you try to force the game publisher to make such exclusive deals so they wont include edit mode as it might take away the spotlight from your license. Now everyone selects Manchester United, sponsors get exposure. If there is edit mode everyone plays with other modded kits.
I think its that simple, Konami bent over to license deals. It makes more sense than some otherwordly brand new legal matter.
Jay-Jay 10
League 1
- 6 July 2021
I don't think we will find a common ground here. For me it stays pretty clear also through own work experience that it is for legal reasons about licenses that Konami doesn't have but if you want to think different fine by me. No use spinning in circles
Bing Bing Wahoo
League 2
- 11 April 2024
Are you playing in windowed mode? The game is obviously rendered in your native resolution when playing in fullscreen mode...
Energia
Champions League
- 22 December 2003
If I'm not mistaken, you're a PC user... If you want the game updated with updated real teams and careers like in PES offline, on PC it's definitely better to play SP Football Life 2026... The default offline gameplay (and also many other GP mods) and optimisation of the latest PES graphic engine by old konami team, compared to this crossover from a free mobile engine (unreal) like efootball, is definitely still better, not to mention the graphics updates made by Smoke Team.
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Genuine question here, is it better in every way? I dabbled with eFootball (but not for long, hence why I'm asking the question) and thought the AI seemed much improved. (And yes, I've tried lots of combos of gameplay mods for PES 2021, but you can't fix the AI by tweaking what already exists.)
Granted, I'm not playing eFootball because of the total lack of content and the fact that they keep adding "auto" bullshit to it, to make it like all those other "press A to win" mobile games out there - but even so.
I think dribbling is the aspect in which eFootball is most superior to PES 21. In PES 21 even players like Messi feel heavy on the ball. I think eFootball has the opposite problem, where it's a tad too easy to dribble with players who don't have good stats.
I also really like the idea of stunning passes/shots. If a player has a lot of time and space on the ball, he would usually use that time to shoot the ball harder and hopefully more accurately too. Unfortunately in eFootball these stunning passes/shots are very easy to execute which make them broken but I like its concept a lot.
The AI in eFootball is better than in PES 21 too in my opinion but honestly it's still not as good as PES 13 or 17. In v5.0.0 the AI was amazing, it was capable of executing skill moves if the right player had the ball. The CPU AI's gotten worse since v5.0.0, I'm not sure about this though since most other aspects of the gameplay got worse since that version.
Dragovic
Premier League
Btw, Spanish Footballers association is leaving FIFPRO. Correct me if I am wrong but this means that all EA FC, eFootball and UFL needs to get a license from them to use player likeness.
Jay-Jay 10
League 1
- 6 July 2021
EAFC would probably be covered by the team licenses since they also are official La Liga Partners. But yes Konami would have a problem.
Energia
Champions League
- 22 December 2003
try to read comments of my "ported" gameplays here... open the spoiler in first lines of the post... I ported gameplays parameters also from efootball (the exe is pratically the same by years, only re develeoped by konami for various engines appliyed on it in the time) and all is much better on dedicated Fox engine for PES made by konami respect the free limited unreal engine for cell phone and crossplatform...
@subtra3t
we were talking about Football life 2026 on pc with its proper new gameplay or other mods of GP (not about pes2021 with its default gameplay)...
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Dragovic
Premier League
But does the team license also gives player license ? I believe team license and LaLiga partner should give them rights for club crest, name, stadium, Laliga broadcast package and other stuff but not players since they were part of FIFPRO license.
Because if that's the case, then Konami would need to remove both the leagues from there database, and also UFL can't use Spanish League players
Jay-Jay 10
League 1
- 6 July 2021
Most teams cover also the image rights of players and coaches.
gabe.paul.logan
Too old for this s***
Anyone who keeps any PES alive is doing amazing work for the PES community, i just would like to make this clear and anyone who enjoys any PES and their modded version more power to you. Im just having trouble with, and sorry i cant find a lighter term but missleading people - and possibly there is no ill intent behind it even, its just because some people have different expectations to others.
But in my opinion those people who enjoy PES 21 modded would still enjoy PES 21 vanilla, and whoever find it boring, bland, lackluster, annoying the vanilla those people will also find the modded versions the same too. I do not like PES 21 at all, one of the worst PES games ever, all PS4 generation PES games suck in my opinion. And i have played a lot of modded PES exes and modded PES 21 gameplay myself many times. You can change some aspects but no gameplay mod is able to change the fundamentals like AI, not even Footbal Life which is basically a separate installer for an already modded PES like Sany does for so many older PES titles. So i get people are excited about it and like it but if you hated vanilla PES 21, no modded version is able to offer a new gameplay experience to you.
Energia
Champions League
- 22 December 2003
Sorry for writing this, I don't mean to attack you personally, but you clearly don't know what you're talking about (tecnically), given that eFootball is just PES 2021 castrated by a limited free engine for mobile phones choosen also for a easier cross-platform development for online matches, such as the Unreal Engine, with different gameplay parameters with each version update, exactly as happened with PES 2021 and previous PES games as it has always been (default pes 2021 v.1.0.1 did not have the same gameplay as latest version 1.07.02)
And if I'm telling you this, it's because I'm also able to bring PES 2021 gameplays mods to eFootball and vice versa, and the result is always better on the PES 2021 exe that uses the Fox engine and not the limited unreal one for skaters without any physical sensation of the ball and the players, as is the case you can feel with PES. ... efootball is castred also with less many controls through gamepad combo, respect the pes2021, because it's adapted for cellular phones use with its stupid limited touch control next adapted also on PC and consoles use
May the force will be with you always
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The points I made still stand if you compare eFootball to Football Life 2026 even with its plethora of gameplay mods.
I don't think they ever said that they prefer eFootball's gameplay to that of PES 2021, just that they dislike PES 2021.
Energia
Champions League
- 22 December 2003
The points you raised are not real from my point of view...
for example dribbling it's only more easy on efootball because is structurate for an easy game.. PES has always had needed a long learning curve to make it enjoibale before efootball arrival... I had creates and ported mods where dribbling is very good respect the PES 2021 vanilla one that I never appreciate as gameplay So your points are no longer valid for me... they are only valid in relation to Konami's default game.
That awful gameplay was created for the latest PES 2021 update precisely to make people abandon it quickly when the new gacha game eFootball arrived... a marketing strategy.
Everything was connected to the general discussion that had been going on since my first post about recommending playing Football Life 2026 with mods if you wanted a good career with good gameplay rather than playing matches on eFootball with dream teams and not with real teams; a discussion to which he responded, otherwise we are all talking about our own things and it remains a fruitless discussion.
he also written this:
"But in my opinion those people who enjoy PES 21 modded would still enjoy PES 21 vanilla, and whoever find it boring, bland, lackluster, annoying the vanilla those people will also find the modded versions the same too"
and I no longer disagree, since vanilla gameplay was awful for many, but now they've gone back to playing PES or FL26 thanks to some gameplay mods.
Example of comments of users from my mods thread:
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Just because they've posted in this thread about eFootball doesn't mean that they necessarily have to like the game to post about it. And they didn't even mention eFootball once in the comment which you replied to.The points you raised are not real from my point of view...
for example dribbling it's only more easy on efootball because is structurate for an easy game.. PES has always had needed a long learning curve to make it enjoibale before efootball arrival... I had creates and ported mods where dribbling is very good respect the PES 2021 vanilla one that I never appreciate as gameplay So your points are no longer valid for me... they are only valid in relation to Konami's default game.
That awful gameplay was created for the latest PES 2021 update precisely to make people abandon it quickly when the new gacha game eFootball arrived... a marketing strategy.
Everything was connected to the general discussion that had been going on since my first post about recommending playing Football Life 2026 with mods if you wanted a good career with good gameplay rather than playing matches on eFootball with dream teams and not with real teams; a discussion to which he responded, otherwise we are all talking about our own things and it remains a fruitless discussion.
he also written this:
"But in my opinion those people who enjoy PES 21 modded would still enjoy PES 21 vanilla, and whoever find it boring, bland, lackluster, annoying the vanilla those people will also find the modded versions the same too"
and I no longer disagree, since vanilla gameplay was awful for many, but now they've gone back to playing PES or FL26 thanks to some gameplay mods.
Example of comments of users from my mods thread:
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And even if they did like eFootball, that shouldn't make you say something like "you clearly don't know what you're talking about". That's just disrespectful.
They've clearly stated too that they've tried many different gameplay mods. So the testimonies of people who like your gp mods (who I'm a fan of, by the way) don't mean much, they've already come to the conclusion that PES 21 is not for them.